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  • Nov. 9th, 2009 at 12:05 PM
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There is quite often discussion in the asexual community about whether asexuals consider themselves - or should be considered by others - to be queer or part of the GLBT (etc) community. I know there are many asexual people who do identify as queer - some because they are homo- or bi-romantic or prefer their own gender aesthetically, and some because they feel that anything other than straight and sexual could be considered queer. And I know that there are GLBT groups in some countries - and especially in US universities - which have expanded to include A, amongst other things. Many asexuals consider that appropriate because they feel an affinity with gay people - because they too struggled with their identity growing up and have faced prejudice or disbelief from people around them when coming out as asexual.

I think that how you identify on the sexual/romantic spectrum is a very personal thing and everyone has the right to identify the way they want to and ally themselves with whatever groups they feel a connection with. So, I'm only talking about myself here and my personal feelings on the subject.

I don't consider myself queer. I just don't feel that word fits me at all. I don't really think of myself as straight, either... in general, I think of myself as "none of the above". I'm not a sexual or romantic person and so it seems kind of meaningless to label myself with any term that's usually applied to identify which gender you're sexually or romantically attracted to. In the days when I attempted to date, I only dated men, and the occasional crushes I still have are always on men, so I tend to assume that if I was sexual I would be more or less straight, although it seems a fairly pointless thing to speculate on. These days, I can imagine having an affectionate, companionable relationship with either a man or a woman, but I don't feel I want to describe myself as bi, because bi would seem to go before "sexual" or "romantic" and any relationship I had would really just be a close friendship... and anyone of any gender or orientation can have close friendships with any gender, so I don't think I need a particular term to describe that.

I am 100% a champion of gay rights - what gender of consenting adult someone is sleeping with simply doesn't come into how I judge a person and it seriously bothers me when others judge on that basis. However, I don't feel any closer to the gay community than to the straight community. If I see a division, it's between sexual and asexual, rather than between straight and everything else. I don't feel that a highly sexual gay person would have anything more in common with me than a highly sexual straight person.

I realise that what's around you when you're growing up probably has something to do with it. If you have gay friends when you're young and identify with their struggles, or if you go to a university where there's a GLBT group that also includes asexuals, then it's probably more likely you'll feel a part of that community. It wasn't like that for me. For one thing, I didn't struggle with my sexuality when I was in high school, because I didn't really feel different from my peers. I grew up in a small town in the north of Scotland. At that time and in that place, it wasn't particularly normal to date a lot or to have sex when you were still in high school. Only a few of my friends had boyfriends or girlfriends or talked about their sexual experiences. Most of my friends talked about their crushes and giggled over boys, but saw sex and relationships as something that would happen a bit later. Now I realise that other people were probably thinking about sex a whole lot more than I was (and probably experimenting with it more than I realised), but at the time I felt quite normal. I didn't date or have sex but neither did a lot of other people. I assumed that, like most of my friends, I would get into relationships and sex later - it was only in adult life I came to understand that I was different in my feelings about sex and romance.

As for GLBT groups... well, such things just didn't exist! I never even met anyone who openly identified as gay or bisexual until I was an adult. Of course, I'm sure some of my classmates and friends were gay, but it just wasn't talked about and I don't remember it being something I gave much thought to. I don't recall being aware of prejudice, really; I imagine that there was just a general attitude that there might be gay people in the big cities, but not in our little town! So I didn't grow up with gay friends or gay rights groups, at least that I was aware of.

All of which means that I just don't feel any connection with the word "queer", or any particular connection with the gay community (although I will always speak up for gay rights when the issue arises). I'm content with the labels "asexual" and "aromantic" and I don't need anything more. When it comes to being straight, gay or queer I just feel those are labels which are part of the sexual world and not relevant to me. Some asexuals feel differently, of course, which is fine by me! There's room for all our differing opinions, and we need only accept the labels that we choose for ourselves, if we choose any.

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[info]_pyromancer_ wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 01:38 pm (UTC)
Livejournal posts need a "like" button. :-)

Agree completely, and very well put.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks :)
[info]pumagrrl wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 02:22 pm (UTC)
I never even met anyone who openly identified as gay or bisexual until I was an adult.
Neither did I. When I was in high school, homosexuality (or bisexuality) was not an option.
I do not label myself as "queer", I'm just a person who doesn't really care about sex. If others want to label me, fine.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:14 pm (UTC)
In general, I'm not fond of labels. I use asexual and aromantic because they fit pretty well, but I don't feel like I need another one.
[info]kirsty10 wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 02:32 pm (UTC)
I think it can be useful to identify as queer in a world where lots of people tend to assume people are heterosexual.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:15 pm (UTC)
I suppose I feel that if I described myself as queer, everyone would simply assume I meant I was gay - and then would wonder why I didn't sleep with women, instead of wondering why I didn't sleep with men! I know queer is often given a larger meaning these days, but I'm not sure many people here are aware of it.
[info]alixyveth wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 04:15 pm (UTC)
I agree with you. I don't feel any more connected to gay sexuals than to straight sexuals. I feel more in common with asexuals than I do with any kind of sexual person.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:16 pm (UTC)
Yes, the asexual community is the only one I really feel comfortable identifying with. That's pretty diverse in itself, but I feel I have more in common with people there, also.
[info]aflyingpiglet wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 07:19 pm (UTC)
I agree with you that this is a personal decision, particularly as Asexuals are so diverse as a group anyway. I tend to use Aromantic and Asexual as my main "labels" to define myself but I do use queer sometimes as to me it simply means I deviate from the 'Norm'.

One area where I am currently grouping with the LGBT community is in my Christian faith. My Asexuality has raised lots of questions - many of which are not answered by the mainstream Church as they focus on either singleness or the family. Currently this isn't an area which the Asexual community knows much about (other than debating their views on Christianity - which is fine, but not the sort of thing I am looking for as I explore these issues). Many LGBT Christians have wrestled a lot with these questions and a lot of progess has been made so as I explore Asexuality and what it means for me as a Christian, it is on their experience (and with their support) I am drawing upon.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:19 pm (UTC)
I can see how you could get insight from the gay community on that issue. It is not always easy to understand how asexuality fits in with different belief systems.
[info]tonks07 wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 10:53 pm (UTC)
Drive by comment to say I really love your posts. They always give me lots to think about.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:19 pm (UTC)
Thanks :)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
It seems like there are multiple ways to define "queer". I see "queer" as not necessarily referring to orientation as much as a socio-political stance that you don't want to assimilate into heteronormative society. I don't think being queer and being gay is the same thing. If you're gay, but you're indistinguishable from a straight person, is that queer? Some would say no.

I don't feel close to the gay or LGBT community either, but I do see myself as queer. To me, those things (being queer and having a connection to gay/LGBT community) aren't related, since "queer" is to take some sort of radical stance whereas a lot of the LGBT community is not radical at all. It's the anti-establishment aspect of queer identity that I relate to.
[info]love_pirate wrote:
Nov. 9th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC)
Forgot to sign in-- that was me :-)
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:22 pm (UTC)
I'm seeing "queer" used this way more often these days. It's quite a different meaning than I was aware of growing up, and I have the impression it's still only in the US that it's used in this way... I'm 100% sure that if I told people here I was queer they would assume I was gay and be just as confused about why I'm not sleeping with women as they currently are about why I'm not sleeping with men!
[info]cerdewin wrote:
Nov. 10th, 2009 06:02 pm (UTC)
I consider myself asexual and nothing more....
In my teens, I reflected on the coming of age stories where a girl goes boy crazy, or girl crazy. I kept waiting for that "craze" to happen....and it never did. So I thought, I'd make up my body's mind for it by rationalizing what I liked most boys or girls (or both) and why. Boys - I had my crushes but that's all they were. Never did I want the relationship to pass anything but playful banter.

Girls - aesthetically were visually more appealing but I wondered if that was due to societal programming stemming all the way back to the Renaissance where females were the primary subject matter up to present day models in advertisements.

With the "boys" winning out I declared myself a confused hetero. ....that is until the word 'asexuality' crossed my threshold. The rest is history.

[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 11th, 2009 12:25 pm (UTC)
Re: I consider myself asexual and nothing more....
It was similar for me although I suppose I did go through a "boy crazy" stage as I did have lots of teenage crushes, even if I never thought of doing anything much about them (I didn't realise until I was older how unusual that was!)

I do tend to look at beautiful women more often than I look at men, but it's largely a visual thing. My occasional crushes are always on men. So I feel vaguely hetero... but it seems pretty unimportant!
[info]kakkobean wrote:
Nov. 16th, 2009 10:42 am (UTC)
Hi, I just found your journal through AVEN, and well, I really like what you're saying. Is it okay for me to follow you?

I've never considered being labeled as Queer, because in the context of my life, "queer" was always used as a derogatory term. I therefore never refer to any of my gay friends as "queer", because where I am, it has the connotation of being "wrong" and "unnatural", etc. So I certainly wouldn't use it for myself, since I don't see myself in those terms, either.
[info]glad_to_be_a wrote:
Nov. 17th, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Of course, you're very welcome to follow me :)

I have also heard queer used as a derogatory term, for most of my life. It has been kind of reclaimed by the gay community now, but I think for me the negative connotations still linger. Some people are using it now as a general term to cover all non-heterosexual orientations, but I'm just not able to see it that way.

Edited at 2009-11-17 09:19 pm (UTC)
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